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[RH - Gráficos] Problema con Sprites de "Vuelo" en Rojo Fuego

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Mikel8888

Usuario de plata
Hola a todos, soy nuevo en el foro, al menos publicando, ya que llevo años leyendo todo tipo de cosas por aqui y aprendiendo por mi cuenta.

Antes de nada me gustaria dejar claro que me considero bastante novato en el mundo del Rom Hacking de GBA, pero he llegado a saber hacer algunas cosillas por mi cuenta, asi que tampoco es que no sepa nada.

Bien, esta vez me ha tocado escribir, ya que tengo un problema que no he podido solucionar por mi mismo.

Voy a tratar de dar toda la informacion necesaria a la hora de plantear mi duda.

El caso es que, estoy usando una rom de ROJO FUEGO (ESPAÑOL), para hacer la tipica expansion del juego que hace cualquiera que este aprendiendo, hasta aqui bien, he creado eventos, he añadido algunos pokemon, editado entrenadores y todo lo tipico.

El tema es que en algun punto de ese proceso, se me ha corrompido el sprite del pajaro que sale cuando usas "vuelo".

En mi opinion, puede deberse a los iconos de los pokemon que añadi, los cuales añadi en los espacios vacios que trae el juego.

He leido diversas opiniones sobre si se deberian tocar o no esos slots, pero este proyectillo lo estuve haciendo hace 2 años, sin gran conocimiento de los errores que pueden ocurrir, asi que no tengo backups ni nada por el estilo,

Este año he vuelto a trabajar un poco en el mundo del Hacking, y obviamente, con muchisima mas precaucion y haciendo backups en cada paso que doy, pero a este proyecto que hice hace 2 años le tengo mucho cariño, y se me ha ocurrido que a lo mejor alguien puede ayudarme aqui.

Pido disculpas de antemano si el tema esta en un sitio incorrecto, pero despues de revisar todos me ha parecido el que mas encajaba con la peticion.

Como datos adicionales, he intentado volver a cambiar el icono del GLISCOR, que es el que se ve en el sprite del pajaro, y no da resultado, ni cambiando del sprite, ni repunteandolo.

He estado revisando con UNLZ GBA sprite por sprite, tanto en mi rom(rojo fuego español), como en una rom limpia de fire red(usa), y no he visto nada sobre ese pajaro.

Mi intencion era sacarlo limpio de la rom USA para reemplazarlo en la mia y ver si asi se arreglaba, pero no he llegado ni siquiera a encontrarlo.

Aqui dejo unas imagenes para que se vea claramente el "bug":

Sample1.png
Sample2.png


Gracias de antemano a cualquiera que se tome su tiempo en intentar ayudarme.

Tambien escribo aqui con la intencion de saber si esto no tiene solucion, prefiero saberlo por alguien que entienda mas del tema para dejar de perder horas y horas buscando soluciones.

Un saludo y gracias.
 

M_Alighieri

Dirigente Total del Imperio Kaktiácero
Miembro del equipo
Redactor/a
Miembro de honor
Hola Mikel, de antemano te doy la bienvenida al foro y espero que sigas adelante con tu proceso creativo.

Volviendo al tema, he encontrado un tema en Pokécommunity donde se listan direcciones para el sprite de vuelo, por lo que podrías probar con eso en la ROM americana y el programa NSE: https://www.pokecommunity.com/threads/change-flying-animation.356873/

A partir de ahí, si es lo que buscabas, podrías consultar los datos hexadecimales de esa dirección y buscar coincidencias en tu hack.

Por lo demás, este tipo de errores de corrupción de datos son muy comunes en GBA Binario, así que si algún día te animas, te recomiendo pasarte a Decompilación.

Buena suerte, espero que esto te ayude.
 

Mikel8888

Usuario de plata
Buenas, he estado revisando el tema que me has mandado, y si no he entendido mal, es un asunto diferente, el problema que tienen ahi es con los sprites digamos "del protagonista sentado en el pajaro", sin embargo, el problema que tengo yo es directamente con el sprite del pajaro, los sprites de los protagonistas estan intactos en mi rom.

De igual manera, un saludo y gracias por la atencion!
 

M_Alighieri

Dirigente Total del Imperio Kaktiácero
Miembro del equipo
Redactor/a
Miembro de honor
Vale, parece que he dado con la clave, las direcciones que buscas son las siguientes para Fire Red:
  • Frame 0 (chico): 39DBC8
  • Frame 1 (chico): 39E3C8
  • Frame 0 (chica): 39EBC8
  • Frame 1 (chica): 39F3C8
  • Frame 2: 39D3C8
La paleta está en 35B968, puedes consultar estos datos mediante las librerías de este tema: https://whackahack.com/foro/threads/bookmarks-nuevos-para-nse-2-0-corregido-mas-tutorial.60264/

Espero que con esto puedas seguir la estrategia que te indiqué más arriba y estés más cerca de conseguirlo.

¡Suerte!
 

Mikel8888

Usuario de plata
Hola, bueno, primero gracias una vez mas.

Si no me equivoco, lo que me has mandado sigue haciendo referencia a los sprites del personaje sentado encima del pajaro, y el problema que tengo es con el pajaro, asi que en este caso no me sirve, pero te agradezco la implicacion.

Un Saludo.
 

M_Alighieri

Dirigente Total del Imperio Kaktiácero
Miembro del equipo
Redactor/a
Miembro de honor
Hola, bueno, primero gracias una vez mas.

Si no me equivoco, lo que me has mandado sigue haciendo referencia a los sprites del personaje sentado encima del pajaro, y el problema que tengo es con el pajaro, asi que en este caso no me sirve, pero te agradezco la implicacion.

Un Saludo.
Las direcciones que te he pasado son precisamente las del pájaro, coinciden con la que has mostrado en la imagen cuando utilicé la herramienta NSE.
 

~Criisss

Usuario mítico
Vale, parece que he dado con la clave, las direcciones que buscas son las siguientes para Fire Red:
  • Frame 0 (chico): 39DBC8
  • Frame 1 (chico): 39E3C8
  • Frame 0 (chica): 39EBC8
  • Frame 1 (chica): 39F3C8
  • Frame 2: 39D3C8
Ojo que estas direcciones son de Fire Red (U) y el comentó explicitamente que usaba Rojo Fuego (S)

Ya no estoy tan fino con binario, por lo que se ve, sobreescribiste el grafico con otra cosa, es un error típico. Lo que podrias hacer, es buscar la tabla de frames y repuntearla con un gráfico nuevo. No se de tutoriales para eso, es algo medianamente complejo, tenes que entender como funcionan las tablas y como repuntear pero se deberia poder rescatar. El primer paso es encontrar el gráfico, debe estar en una direccion cercana a la de BPRE

Saludos,
 

utsur0id

Trabajando en @pkmnobsidian
Usa HexManiacAdvance a ver que tal. Si te complica me podrías pasar la rom y trato de solucionarlo para que quede como el original.
 

M_Alighieri

Dirigente Total del Imperio Kaktiácero
Miembro del equipo
Redactor/a
Miembro de honor
Ojo que estas direcciones son de Fire Red (U) y el comentó explicitamente que usaba Rojo Fuego (S)

Ya no estoy tan fino con binario, por lo que se ve, sobreescribiste el grafico con otra cosa, es un error típico. Lo que podrias hacer, es buscar la tabla de frames y repuntearla con un gráfico nuevo. No se de tutoriales para eso, es algo medianamente complejo, tenes que entender como funcionan las tablas y como repuntear pero se deberia poder rescatar. El primer paso es encontrar el gráfico, debe estar en una direccion cercana a la de BPRE

Saludos,
Sí, va en línea con lo que le comenté, la idea consiste en que acceda al offset con un editor hexadecimal, copie parte de los bytes y haga una búsqueda en Rojo Fuego de esos bytes.

Técnicamente, los bytes de los gráficos deberían ser iguales en ambas versiones (lo ideal es que empezara la búsqueda en un ROM limpio para localizar la ubicación).
 

Versekr Dark

Usuario mítico
Por lo que veo montaste datos en ese lugar por lo que yo no te recomendaría modificar la imagen directamente si no volver a poner los sprites en espacio libre ya que si llegaste a meter algún sistema en esa localización lo único que vas a hacer es causar mas bugs, entonces para que no se te complique usa esto:

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Hay dos maneras de cargar esto, primero es que copies el contenido vayas a espacio libre y le des ctrl+v ósea copias y pegas y automáticamente hace todo o la otra es que arrastres el documento a el hexmaniac pero en espacio libre y lo dejes caer y pasara lo mismo repunteara los datos automáticamente

Para que quede mas claro o copias lo que deje en spoiler o creas un archivo que acabe con "Nombre_archivo".hma

Ahora vayamos a la raíz del problema, como podrás ver en el documento que te mande tus sprites tienen muchos 00 eso significa que usaste un programa que creyó que eso es espacio vacío y monto datos en la rom, recuerda no usar programas que guarden en 00, solo FF, supongo que abras montado algún sprite por lo que pienso que pudiste o usar advance sprite o a-text pero voy mas por advance sprite, entonces lo que debes hacer es buscar el espacio libre con free space finder o hexmaniac, ya que en la parte de hexmanaic aparece buscar espacio libre, pero no lo vayas a usar para agregar sprites ya que no esta bien adaptado para insertarlo, si vas a insertar sprites de pokemon usa pge 3.7 que es mas rápido o 3.8 y si vas agregar gritos 3.8.1

por si te cuesta hacerlo documento

 
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Mikel8888

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Buenas, primero que nada, M_Alighieri, efectivamente, estabas en lo correcto, yo pensaba que el pajaro no llevaba el sprite del protagonista pegado encima, por eso pensaba que estabamos hablando de cosas diferentes.

He usado hex maniac, tal y como me aconsejo utsur0id, y ya he empezado a entender un poco todo, la verdad es que estaba bastante perdido.

Efectivamente, he encontrado los sprites, PERO, en la version USA, en la española no hay manera, ni poniendo esa misma direccion, ni buscando durante horas en el hex maniac dandole para arriba o abajo, ni en mi rom editada, ni en la rom española base.

Conclusion... el problema sigue, no soy capaz de encontrarlo con hex maniac, que a su vez pensaba que solo funcionaba con roms de usa, pero creo que no termina de funcionar bien con las españolas, porque no se ven los overworlds, ni los mapas como si que se ven en la rom de usa.

Asi que, si alguien tiene alguna idea, por ahora no puedo avanzar, despues de dedicarle 2-3 horas hoy, pensaba que encontraria los sprites del prota montado en el pajaro aunque sea de casualidad, pero parece que de esta manera no me va a ser posible.

Gracias a todos por la ayuda, y si alguien tiene una nueva idea, estoy abierto a probar lo que haga falta.

EDIT:

Versekr Dark, justo estaba respondiendo y a la vez has puesto tu mensaje, cuando tenga un momento para probar, miro y respondo. Gracias de antemano.
 

Versekr Dark

Usuario mítico
Buenas, primero que nada, M_Alighieri, efectivamente, estabas en lo correcto, yo pensaba que el pajaro no llevaba el sprite del protagonista pegado encima, por eso pensaba que estabamos hablando de cosas diferentes.

He usado hex maniac, tal y como me aconsejo utsur0id, y ya he empezado a entender un poco todo, la verdad es que estaba bastante perdido.

Efectivamente, he encontrado los sprites, PERO, en la version USA, en la española no hay manera, ni poniendo esa misma direccion, ni buscando durante horas en el hex maniac dandole para arriba o abajo, ni en mi rom editada, ni en la rom española base.

Conclusion... el problema sigue, no soy capaz de encontrarlo con hex maniac, que a su vez pensaba que solo funcionaba con roms de usa, pero creo que no termina de funcionar bien con las españolas, porque no se ven los overworlds, ni los mapas como si que se ven en la rom de usa.

Asi que, si alguien tiene alguna idea, por ahora no puedo avanzar, despues de dedicarle 2-3 horas hoy, pensaba que encontraria los sprites del prota montado en el pajaro aunque sea de casualidad, pero parece que de esta manera no me va a ser posible.

Gracias a todos por la ayuda, y si alguien tiene una nueva idea, estoy abierto a probar lo que haga falta.

EDIT:

Versekr Dark, justo estaba respondiendo y a la vez has puesto tu mensaje, cuando tenga un momento para probar, miro y respondo. Gracias de antemano.
Aquí lo único que tienes que hacer si estas usando la rom española es buscar la longitud de sprite de tus imágenes

solo cambia los de

FR
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por

RF

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Buscar datos en hexmanaic es super fácil y renombrarlos es igual de fácil, casi es lo mismo que fire red la verdad es que son cambios muy pequeños los que hay entre direcciones.

cualquier cosa que necesites mándame mensaje por privado es muy sencillo adaptar cosas a rojo fuego.

Como ultimo mensaje deja de usar dinosaurios como lo son, nse, advance sprite, unlz, etc son programas muy viejos que no sirven nada bien, dedícate ha aprender a usar hexmanaic, y compleméntalo con , advance map que aun sigue siendo el mejor pero el 1.95, pge 3.7, 3.8 y 3.8.1, también se me olvidaba hxd.
 
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Mikel8888

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Amigo... te voy a ser sincero, no se ni lo que acabo de hacer, simplemente he hecho lo que has dicho, y "por arte de magia" se ha solucionado...

No puedo hacer mas que agradecertelo.. jajaja

Simplemente he escrito eso en el hex maniac en espacios vacios (FF), cambiando lo que has agregado en el segundo mensaje, y se ha arreglado...

De verdad muchisimas gracias, ya estaba planteando reworkearlo copiando eventos y demas cosas, para evitar el bug, pero ahora me he quitado esa espinita que tenia desde que me paso esto.

Mira, no tengo mucha idea, pero estoy casi seguro de que el problema se origino al insertar los iconos de los pokes en advance series, use los huecos "libres" que hay, y mas adelante me he dado cuenta de que todos tienen la misma direccion de primeras, asi que... creo que por ahi van los tiros, tambien entiendo lo que dices, que hay muchos "0" en el codigo que he pegado, y puede ser que el advance series lo haya interpretado como vacio.

Igualmente, parece que se ha arreglado, nunca tuve mucha fe porque se que usar roms en español suele tener muchos problemas, pero finalmente entre todos me habeis ayudado y os estoy muy agradecido.

Sobre PGE, lo puedo usar con roms españolas? alguna vez he hecho alguna prueba, pero me ha llegado a dar errores incluso con las roms en ingles.

De todas formas, el tema de los sprites de vuelo ya me enseño, y ahora cada dia que edito algo, tengo uno o varios backups que como mucho hacen que pierda 1 hora(o menos) de trabajo, asi que ahora puedo trabajar un poco mas tranquilo.

Dicho esto, muchas gracias a todos, se puede dar por resuelto el asunto!

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Me alegra ver que la comunidad esta tan activa, no sabia si iba a tener respuesta, pero veo que hay mucha gente con ganas de ayudar, la verdad que eso motiva mucho a ir probando cosillas para poder comentar cualquier duda o problema.

Un saludo a todos!
 
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